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Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


G0RF posted:

Reply on Twitter Reddit: ďKinda embarrassing asking for re-tweets then setting a low threshold like 200. Just extend it if you want.ď

For sure! They can offer a new weapon in the store at 1000 retweets, a new concept ship in the store at 5000 retweets, and a promise to actually finish the loving game if they get 1 million retweets.

Oh, and hi everyone. I'd bring a gift, but i'm all out of JPGs!

Agony Aunt fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Apr 17, 2018

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Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


G0RF posted:

Hello Agony Auntó nice of you to join us. No need for gifts as new voices in thread are just that.

Care to share when/how you started following this particularly colorful videogame saga? Youíve been paying attention a while, right?

Did you give the Free Fly a try? Of not, itís not too late to experience the worldís first Quadruple Y game so donít miss out!

Yeah, more or less from the beginning and was skeptical about how good the game would be even back during kickstarter.

Basically when it was announced, i took a look, was like, ok, interesting, new space games are always welcome. Watched a few demos, thought ambitious. And while i thought the earlier CR games were ok, i was never a fanboy.

Then ED was also announced, and watched the early Braben videos and thought to myself, gods, Braben couldn't sell a man dying of thirst a drink. But, at least his pitch was more reasonable. I'd been waiting for Elite 4 for a loooong time, always been an Elite fan and had resigned myself to playing Pioneer to relive the Elite experience.

When CIG released the (in)-famous helmet flip demo and the crowd went wild with that, my thoughts were: they are making a game for mentally retarded people. I was like, hells guys, its just a animation, get a loving life. It was at that point there was no way i was going to give CIG a single penny until they released a fully working game that looked decent to play. So far, that seems like a long way off.

Anyway, ED went into beta, and a friend had bought it and was telling me to get it, so i decided to give it a look, became a beta backer, and when the LEP went on offer a year later, bought it with no regrets. ED has been a solid investment for me. It gets a lot of criticism, some of it even justified, but doesn't matter, i still enjoy the game 2600 hours later. Not often a game holds my attention like that.

I kind for forgot about SC for a while, but then the Derek Smart thing kicked off, and later other sources also picked up on some things, so i started looking at the SC subreddit and the SC thread on the FD forums, and i was horrified with how things were going. Insanely increased scope, a demented fanbase (not all, there are sane backers as well, but for every sane backer there is a crazy one). I started reading the FD SC thread, the SC sub, and the refund sub. In short, i became a vocal skeptic (as opposed to earlier being a quiet skeptic).

Much later, just a few months ago, i started reading this thread, and found it to be highly entertaining. So lurked. Then just yesterday, found i couldn't read the forums any more, so decided to pay lowtax's tax. And if i'm paying, i might as well comment.

A week or so ago i requested a year ban from the SC sub forum. I've spent too much time on that sub, arguing with cultists (blocking loads because they didn't want to debate, they just went direct to insults), and trying to get the more moderate fans to manage their expectations. But too many believe the gospel of Chris, and still believe that everything CIG have promised will come true, which to my mind is an impossible task, especially since if everything was implemented as described, it would be a horrible gameplay experience.

Overall, i'm doubtful CIG will be able to keep funding going until release, which has to be years away before they have something they can call a beta. On the other hand, they keep sucking people in who throw money at the game, and there are also whales who keep putting money in. Its basically now a waiting game (while getting some lulz out of the development) to see what happens first, some sort of release or the funding drying up.

I do believe CIG have told many porkies, but i'm not sure its malicious. I think CR lives in some sort of reality warping bubble that affects those around him and those who listen to him. He really wants to make this game and believes he can do it, and that it will be good.

Do I believe CIG might release a game? Maybe.

Do I think that game will be any good? Not sure at all. Some of the mechanics they have implemented have been a bit pants, and some of the planned mechanics make FD's design decisions look sane. There might be a good game there in the end though.

Will I play it? Maybe. If its half decent. If only to target people flying big immersion chariots for a laugh.

Will it replace ED? Not a chance in hell. If i become bored of ED, i've got plenty of other games waiting to take over the title of main game for me. Plus there are other space games on the horizon which look pretty good.

Agony Aunt fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Apr 17, 2018

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


G0RF posted:

Thatís a pretty good introduction and I share similarly skeptical conclusions, though maybe have a harsher opinion of Chris at this point. He no doubt is the primary emitter of a reality distortion field ó and those closest to him quickly are enveloped in it and learn the wisdom of seeing the world through his history revising, future certain lens. I think his malevolence is most palpable in how he rationalizes excusing all his former deceptions rather than close the feedback loop so he can feel contrition.

Anyway, glad youíve signed up. Make sure you pay a visit to the links VirtualCaptain dropped in if you havenít seen them. Thereís a wealth of archived hilarity and useful resources poorly organized in this sprawling goon mess but those are good places to hit if any arenít familiar to you...

I think he has a narcisistic personality. He thinks he can do no wrong. When he admits to something being his fault, its because he didn't think big enough, not that he was thinking too big. I think he can rationalize every mistake he has made in a way that reflects well on him.

And of course, i've read and watched all those links. Like i said, i've been following the drama for some time.

By the way, like many, i do work in software development, i've been in IT most of my career, and have been a project manager. So it was always funny when a SC cultist says "You just don't understand software development" :D

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Drunk Theory posted:

So um, I'm sure you are aware since you read this thread that it's a lot of taking the piss.

And pictures of cats ;)

And yeah, i'm aware.

Anyway, thanks for the welcome. I'm sure within enough time we will be calling each other cocksuckers or whatever :D

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Jobbo_Fett posted:

Nice try... DEREK!

On this glorious day, we are all Derek!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


big nipples big life posted:

Every time I've ever looked at the ED forums it's the exact same as every other game's official forums which means it's nothing but people bitching that the game sucks and the devs sucks and everything loving sucks.

Every single game forum ever. I once spent some time on the Paladins forums, same poo poo there. Devs are crap. Game is doomed. Community is toxic. Go to Ark forums, same poo poo there. Go to GTA forums, same poo poo there.

And yet, on each of them, there are people who seem to think the issues they raise are unique to that particular game/devs.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Jobbo_Fett posted:

The correct response. You may enter.

Excellent! Bend over bitch!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:

The major place Frontier has failed with Elite has been the design of their background sim and player's interaction with it being minimal. It's not like player activity can really drive say the development of a new colony. You and friends start mining in an uninhabited system. If a threshold is reached a "Seeking Minerals" trader shows up in system. Then if another threshold is reached by selling minerals to that guy a planetary settlement appears you can land at and trade and as you bring in materials and trade goods it helps build up and expand the colony. The type of mechanics you'd need to do this actually has been added with the station rebuilding mechanics to repair stations after thargoid attacks. And then you get the fact those pesky goids always attack during downtime. There aren't galaxy wide broadcasts like "Eagle Eye has detected thargoids heading for Parrp Station in HIP 12345." Then for the next hour the station goes under attack and players can jump in and try to repel the invasion, protect evacuation ships, etc.. Nope, all happens on galnet in the game. The social-economic-political aspects of the game have been a disaster with crap tacked as added layers instead of an integrated design. And god forbid players not play they way the envisioned...nope, got to roll that poo poo back...

Did you mean to post in this thread? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3741690&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=854

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Daztek posted:



MINUTES OF DEFENDANTS' MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER
http://docdro.id/vAoGioC

ORDER ON SUBMITTED MATTER
http://docdro.id/tx3rLrT


Zzzz

So... they (both parties?) are advised to start active discovery, but defendents (CIG) are not required to respond to discovery until the scheduling order is issued (which is when?) so the request to deny (from CIG) is denied because its irrelevant anyway?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN



Seems like its normally the judge that issues the scheduling order anyway: https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_16

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


The Rabbi T. White posted:

I can only read this to the tune of "How deep is your love"

'Cause we're living in a world of fools
Breaking us down when they all should let us be

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN



Not talking about goons then i presume? AFAIK, most goons want SC to succeed so they can get in game and goon. There is a difference between having lulz at hosed up development and bullshit and wanting something to fail. Either way, fail or succeed, goons win.


Oh look, its the micromachines game. Used to love playing that on the Amiga.

What is RAUS anyway? Rodents Are Unusually Sized?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


peter gabriel posted:

We belong to CIG

:five:

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Sunswipe posted:

I want Star Citizen to fail. I want Chris Roberts reduced to giving wavy handjobs for pennies. I want Sandi to find her only career option is back in softcore tickle porn. I want Alexis to divorce Ben, get half his Wing Commander collection and burn it in front of him. I want Hobo Lando's beard to catch fire. I'm a man of simple and vindictive tastes.

That's a shame, because while maybe CR deserves whatever comes, there are plenty of normal backers out there who have invested beliving in the horsecrap that CIG have sold them, and they will get burned. Sure, they can't say they didn't know they were backing a risky project, but even so, its not nice to lose money like that.

And anyway, don't you think it would be great if CIG actually released something half decent? Just think of all the ganking of immersion chariots you could do!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Sunswipe posted:

Not really. It would interfere with my desire for Chris Roberts to spend the rest of his life masturbating tramps for pennies.

Hey! He's not encroaching on my business!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Sunswipe posted:

You can each have a territory. Or as you've got experience, maybe you could go into management? Work on the advertising side of things? "Chris Roberts Wavy Handjobs! Guaranteed Unlike Any Other!"

I like the cut of your jib! I may have an opening for you!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Taintrunner posted:

Six! loving! YEARS! Into goddam development! After, what, 100 loving ship sales?! How are we not melting down about this! This is loving flabbergasting!

Because we have no investment in it, so its simply funny to watch and take the piss out of. Its the backers that should be having a meltdown.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Quavers posted:

Captain_Richard too:
https://twitter.com/RichardOnTwitch/status/987483119577124865
Looks like CIG aren't concerned with hiding the direct gifting/paying of the SC streamers now

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Drunk Theory posted:

You know it took me a little bit to realize, this is all the promised stuff for 3.5. Ie next year.

And still just one system and still so many features and mechanics missing before they will be able to make a 1.0 release. A lot of new assets though! New outfits! New ships! All stuff that idiots will pay real money for! This is good for Just Starting Citizen.

I'm now wondering if the game will be released by 2030.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Mukip posted:

That stuff is scheduled for Q1 next year, but there are things they have slated to happen before that.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/roadmap/board/1-Star-Citizen

Amazing enough, i did look at that, and that is why i said what i said.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


ColonoscopyExp posted:

Any of you ďthey need to steal to feed their familiesĒ ppl wanna defend this?

What? Where that come from?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Beet Wagon posted:

SOLD! $20 for VP is a bargain. Maybe my wife will want all this other bullshit that comes with it.

How's it compare with Cyberlink Power Director?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


big nipples big life posted:

What the gently caress does getting a refund have to do with social justice?

Also, lol

Its the old conflating unrelated things for no reason at all gambit. I'm just surprised he didn't call the refunders cucks as well. A missed opportunity there!

He totally misses the point as well. I'm sure most refunders knew there would be a risk of non-delivery of what was promised at the time they backed. I presume most backers didn't expect the risk of lies, deception, endlessly shifting goals, and the need for more and more money.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN



I'd say damnit, because i had a friend raving about crypto back in 2002-ish, and i said, meh. If i had got into it back then, i'm pretty sure my investment would have multiplied and by 2003 i'd have blown my profits on a pizza.

Such a lost opportunity.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN



Hold on guys, i've got this.

Summary: What they want is to CIG spend a lot of time of mechnics that will piss off a lot of players and make certain things really tedious.

Ok, come on, own up, which of you guys is trolling?

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN



Good one.

I was right 4 years ago when i said SC will not be released by 2018.... and i was downvoted for it.

Full troll points awarded for someone going on and saying Derek Smart was right. Extra credit for linking to Derek's blog.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Blue On Blue posted:

Chris Roberts pilot AI at work

https://clips.twitch.tv/ColorfulExcitedCrabsTTours

Just look at all that fidelity, the enemy pilot must have been pre-occupied thinking about what he had to do for chores when he got off shift

Looks like they took the AI code from Elite Dangerous 2.x!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


G0RF posted:

REDDIT: 3.1.3 is out, Roadmap updates 24/7 yet we donít have the new weapons

ďI love the Devs and all the people working on the project but...Ē

Itís okay, man. Itís okay... Yes, they checked the box as complete and yet you canít find them in the game. Yes, thatís confusing and deceptive. But itís okay...

They lied about releasing a Squadron Roadmap, too...

The backer ď3.2 feature pollĒ was just a gaslighting exercise to create the illusion of backer-driven development priorities. (And no, this isnít goon :tinfoil:, loyal streamer Mitauchi said the very same last night...) In reality, Chris was just using it to further reduce scope on an already reduced scope and he wanted a means to make the community go Lord of the Flies on itself not him for the downsizing later...

The Roadmap is there to make you think itís there, think it really matters, and think you can have some impact on shaping it. When itís right youíll be so grateful for the improved communication effort on CIGís part. When itís wrong, itís your fault because ďyou donít understand game developmentĒ and ďitís Alpha!Ē

But itís okay, man. Itís okay...

Haha, funny how you always have to put in the disclaimer on that sub if you want to try and avoid the cultists insulting you.

quote:

Ps. I love the Devs and all people working in the project, i just think that clear and stable data are not flowing in the proper way

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Mr.PayDay posted:

ĄLets get some facts straight:

-53 ships and ground vehicles (3.1-ships and variants included) they sold as concept ships have been developed so far, they exist already in the game and are flyable and playable.
-another 18 completely new ships and ground vehicles (reworks NOT included) are scheduled to be released in 2018.
You might not believe it, but they donít only sell concept art, they indeed develop those ships and put them into the game for the backers to fly!

-there is a FPS-game You can play (Star Marine)
-You can fly and PvP in the Arena-Commander module
-they develop a single player campaign game (SQ42)
-the persiant universe is taking shape now and You can fly seemlessly down to 4 planetoids
-there is a rudimentary mission, cargo-transport and trading system in now, player-driven service beacons are coming with 3.1, mining is scheduled for 3.2.
-about 500 people are working on this project now in 4 different locations and 3 different countries.

Some of You give the impression that they just seem to collect money by selling concept pics and do nothing! Thats fake-news!

I registered an account at CIG in 2012 but waited and observed the project until 2017 without pledging any money. Now with 3.0 I think they hit an important milestone and the project is coming together nicely, but slowly and I finally pledged some money in 2017 to get in.
I think the project is on track now, but not as fast as we all wish.ď
:gary:

Amazing what cognitive dissonance can produce while defending that desaster of a pre Alpha tech demo after almost 7 years of development

Star Marine - a bog standard and rather limited FPS Arena game. Whoopy loving doo.

Arena Commander - ah, the part which was meant to help CIG develop a good flight model... *chortles* Well, yeah, it exists. It looks a bit better than CQC in Elite: Dangerous i suppose.

SQ42 - tenses dear boy, tenses (not you, the person you quoted). They are developing SQ42, they have been developing it for 6 years or however long it is. Its still no released, there is still no release date.

PU - 4 planetoids! Count 'em! A whole 4. Not 3! Not 5! 6 is right out! 4 is the number of planetoids and the number of planetoids will be 4. 6 loving years and 4 planetoids. Not even a whole system yet. And they have promised 100 systems.

Cargo system - yes, rudimentary, and frankly speaking, looking at their plans, a pain in the rear end system which i think backers will get throroughly hosed off with after loading cargo like that for the hundredth time.

People working on the project - this isn't really a good point. 500 people working on this, and still so slow progress. It doesn't bode well. People bitch about ED being slow in development, but that's around 100 people involved with ED and they are still releasing stuff in greater amounts that CIG... except for assets, CIG pump out lots of assets, some of them you can even use. Assets don't make a game though. That's the CR school of development, pump out assets and think a game will coalesce around them. A great way to make money from people though, ill give him that.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN



Ugh, there is always one on that sub which will jump to insults instead of debating the topic. Its rather depressing. I recognize that name as well, i think i've had a similar encounter with him...

Me: Makes point
Them: Starts insults
Me: Oh dear

They don't make the SC community look very nice and friendly.

As for the OP of that thread, must have had a sheltered gaming experience if they have never joined a game and had someone show them the ropes. Its pretty normal in my experience.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


his nibs posted:

a new thing, thanks



Its more of a D&D reference. When a wizard in D&D becomes a Lich they must craft a phylactery that they house their soul in. This makes them impossible to permanently destroy as long as their phylactery is safe.

Unfortunately many Lich's in D&D store their phylactery's in the big room saying Lich's treasure room - Keep out! leading many advernturing group to destroy the lich before even encountering it :D

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN



quote:

In some ways we are looking at a different game to the one originally planned

No poo poo sherlock! Its a completely different game.

quote:

If the game had been made with 5, 10, or even 50 Million dollars, it would have probably been released by now.

Probably? Maybe... CR would have still been CR. It may just have failed earlier.

quote:

So based on this (and not including all the new tech) how long until games completion, 8, 10, 12 years?

Meh, he just doesn't understand software development, now that they have the plumbing done the poo poo will flow faster!

Still, interesting to see the most upvoted comment is a critical one. The winds of change doth bloweth or some poo poo like that.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


So, we are in agreement. Captain Richard furiously masturbates over a virtual singer (who may or may not be anime in nature).

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Beet Wagon posted:





lol /r/starcitizen is the third biggest shithole on reddit

That will be the faithful downvoting anything remotely critical.

Good work shillizens! Maybe in a few months you can get top place!

EDIT: And how come people are getting free avatars? No complaints though.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Jobbo_Fett posted:

They aren't free. Someone is donating 10$ to Lowtax's tax fund for bone cancer.


That or the mods are having a laugh and committing credit card fraud, to which Derek Smart will be very mad about!

I meant free to me. If someone wants to spend $10 making me happy, well, hello sailor!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Dementropy posted:



Previously:





Quality. So they convince themselves that anyone claiming to be new and with concerns is a concern troll being put up to it by Derek/goons.

Imagine the poor guy who takes a look at the game, has those concerns, posts on the sub, and immediately gets harassed. Its going to jaundice his view of the game and community badly.

#notacult

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN



Quality.

If i may be critical a tad, i'd have stressed more about how the initial funding video wasn't actualy developed by CR and was nothing more than a demo and that the line saying real in game footage with real game assets was pure BS.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Sample_text posted:

"....whereby the recipient promises to use received PC to exclusively play Star Citizen and prominently display CIG's logos. Failure to do so results in a breach of contract.

EDIT: Also, I joined SA so I can meet fabled game developer Derek Smart. I heard he's around here. Can anyone tell me when he posts?

Exclusively play Star Citizen? So... using streaming software is not covered in the agreement then? :P

Poor saps.... so, no using that PC for browsing porn or playing other games.

Yeah, right.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Daztek posted:

the PC comes with StarOS and StarDRM

And the wallpaper is set to be an unchangable picture of Ben Lenslock... naked.

BANG! There you go, there's the porn!

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Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


Daztek posted:

https://streamable.com/mv1lm

"Logged into the PTU and this is what greeted me"

I used to be a commando, but then i took a missile to the knee.

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