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As a person rather fascinated by Chicago I am all about this LP so thank you very much for giving me some good Ironicus Corner Trivia. So I will say, as someone who only ever saw the worst of this from reports, the game looks REALLY good visually for actually trying some different things like this data mushing stuff and the way they kinda shot the cutscenes. UbiSoft can do that poo poo okay it's just...they forgot about the rest of the game looking up to snuff yanno? Another thing I DO actually like a lot on recent UbiSoft games is the voice acting in some places, and also really nice tutorials like we just saw for this game, I liked Maurice's screeching panic there. Though um Aidan sounds like he REALLY is not into this game at all, everybody else sounds great but Aidan just bores the tits off me. Jordi I totally wish was the main protagonist, he's like something out of Sleeping Dogs which is another sandbox game which is infinitely a lot better than this one in every possible way. Also question to Ironicus, please tell me what you feel personally about Meigs Field Airport and Richard M. Daley.
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# ¿ May 3, 2015 00:25 |
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# ¿ May 13, 2024 20:28 |
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Accordion Man posted:It's also rather obvious already that Aiden started off as the estranged dad out to avenge his daughter yet they changed him into the uncle for whatever reason. It makes Aiden even creepier really. CUZ TROPES YO
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# ¿ May 3, 2015 00:58 |
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ThatPazuzu posted:The weird thing about Watch_Dogs is that Aiden hates Big Brother. But Aiden has no problem hacking into people's private files, stealing from them, and secretly watching his sister and nephew. He is the thing he hates, which could be interesting, but they don't do anything with it. Who watches the Watch_Dogs? It's gonna be like Remember Me was isn't it? Like it's going to look like some kind of ironic statement but in the end is just one huge-rear end hypocritical loving waste of writing cuz nobody bothered to remember the point of their story other than "HACK1N6 1Z C00L Y0!" The Vosgian Beast posted:This game seemed pretty lame, but then I got to the singing fish, and realized that none of the criticisms made about this game matter and it is clearly the best game ever made. Pyradox posted:I feel like someone made this gravestone in MS Paint. It's three text boxes on a generic stone texture. Rirse posted:Chip, how hard is it to LP this dull serious sandbox game when you work for a company who makes the hilarious and very fun Saints Row games?
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# ¿ May 3, 2015 13:38 |
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Kurieg posted:Remember Me at least kept true to it's original thread. Sensen was created with absolutely no sense of accounting for the horrific abuses it would allow, and bringing it down is probably for the best. Nillin is conflicted about it, but realizes that since she's lost her memories and Edge isn't feeding her the whole story she has no way to go but forward. Nillin is aware that she's a hypocrite and tries to resolve it internally, and the degree to which Edge is a hypocrite is actually a huge plot point. That killer assassin who was hired to cut you? Just gently caress with her memory and make her think Sensen killed her boyfriend so she works for you, that's TOTALLY not manipulative at all and exactly what Sensen would do, if anything that really makes you worse because I don't remember Sensen rewiring memories so much as holding them for ransom. And then the lesson at the END with the whole moral about "hey maybe not gently caress with people's memories" is kinda bullshit because I had to do that the past six hours to know about that whilst actively knowing what I was doing is kinda hypocritical to the extreme. I mean if I was FIXING people's memories when they already got hosed up by either Sensen or even Nilin herself previously before all the plot happened, that would actually make it work instead. poo poo, if the entire game was fixing the memories I hosed up from my past experiences, that would be amazing AND still keep with the actual message at the end which we kinda knew all anyway, instead of being an actual blatant hypocrite to reach an ending about how all of this you did was stupid bullshit you should not have done, period. Oh no I agree Edge being a hypocrite was a great plot point, the problem is that EVERYBODY is a huge hypocrite so what really matterrrrrs...? I'm sorry but I'm really putting this game in the same boat as Remember Me as a great concept poorly executed by its story and motivation. Accordion Man posted:Scrooge could also kick Aiden's pasty white rear end with his eyes closed and his arms tied behind his back. Scrooge could kick anybody's rear end. FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 04:17 on May 4, 2015 |
# ¿ May 4, 2015 04:15 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:One of my main problems with the game is that it sticks a bit too close to present day, except somehow everything is interconnected. That makes it very bland. At least if you are going to do this story, make it further into the future and more cyberpunk.
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# ¿ May 4, 2015 21:57 |
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chitoryu12 posted:Features that don't make sense need to be kept to a minimum to avoid completely breaking immersion, unless it's a cartoonish enough game that immersion and a sensible world take a back seat. Watch_Dogs is not one of those games, which means that something as ridiculous as wi-fi grenades immediately draws the eye and causes you to ask questions. Sleeping Dogs can get away with that because it's half-serious half-kung-fu-showdown and considering I've picked an umpteen number of locks with my loving smartphone and guessing four numbers randomly everytime, it would fit. Watch_Dogs is every bit trying to be serious and even the "funny" stuff in the game is more like just weird observations because people are weird. So it does not work, you can't have something that loving stupid in a game that serious. Now if this was THE FUTURE, I can accept that, but not a game that was set in the same year as the Xbox One came out.
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# ¿ May 5, 2015 17:00 |
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Felinoid posted:That was for hacking cameras and the occasional friend's computer. Lockpicking didn't use the phone (it was the only thing that didn't), and was actually moving tumblers using lockpicks, which makes some sense. You're probably thinking of safecracking using the phone, but that was for noise amplification to pick up when the tumblers engaged as you turned the dial, also sort of making sense.
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# ¿ May 5, 2015 18:17 |
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As a weird uncle myself, or rather "the funny uncle" as my niece calls me, I feel very insulted by this game. I have way better fashion sense despite having less hair on my head than Aiden does and I never encounter invisible walls stopping me from driving small vehicles into narrow backyard regions also why the gently caress are all the games lately just unable to get the name Aiden right in any concept? Also um...wow lady how the gently caress did you make tickling sound like I had to go fix the printer, holy gently caress I do not care about this party can we just go to the ballpit or something like normal people? FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 20:39 on May 8, 2015 |
# ¿ May 8, 2015 20:33 |
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JT Jag posted:So, Aiden is an rear end in a top hat who does not contact the police or medical assistance whenever he hurts people, which is often. And yet, he does have a reputation around the city of Chicago, as seen by his sister's reference to 'the Vigilante' as well as... the reputation bar. How do these things reconcile? I mean man, NOBODY loving calls an ambulance, even in Grand Theft Auto's many games you get a loving ambulance right on the scene, Sleeping Dogs does it, hell, SAINT'S ROW THE DUMBEST CARTOON loving has an ambulance come rolling in. Maybe this entire game is just one vile critique of Chicago's public services.
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# ¿ May 9, 2015 13:33 |
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Augus posted:The problem is they spend way too long easing you in. There's a good several hours introducing you to the ATB bar by giving you battle upon battle of mashing X where it's impossible to lose. Then you have a couple hours introducing you to the actual combat system when you get Paradigms. Then you have a good 15 hours of learning how to balance your party by working with lovely 2-person parties. In pretty much every other FF game the "stuck with a lovely 2 person party" phase ends like an hour in. This game waits until like chapter 9 of 13 to take the training wheels off. (is it L'cie or i'cie btw I only ever see that written down and I really want to punch whoever made English lower-L and upper-i look the exact same in the loving face) HOOLY BOOLY posted:Assassin's Creed has the same system of only having palette swap color clothes (at least until Unity, which was probably one of the best parts) and nobody complains about that. Just points to Ubisoft being massively unimaginative with clothing, I mean if they had no imagination to make a female assassin playable for being "too difficult to program" then what else do you expect from them?
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# ¿ May 10, 2015 21:10 |
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I agree that Sazh's outfit loving owns but quite frankly ANY outfit in Final Fantasy is better than Aiden's because even the dumbest ones have SOMETHING new about them.Pesky Splinter posted:The (massively abridged) plot is basically, God creates robo-gods, who create robo-demi-gods (Fal'Cie) and humans. Then god fucks off. The Fal'Cie are tasked to govern humanity (shape the land, provide food, light shelter, etc), but one group get bored of this, and want god to come back to them. Because they can't self-terminate they concoct this convoluted plan to kill loving everyone in the hope god will take notice, so brand select humans with a "focus" to do their bidding. These branded humans (L'Cie) get access to magic, and can summon transformer personas. However, they're on a time limit - if they don't finish their focus before it runs out, they turn into a rock-crystal zombie (Cie'th) - if they do they get naked and turn into a crystal statue where they're in stasis until they're needed to do some random stuff for the Fal'Cie again. God, I did not miss anything, thank you so much for the recap. Good to know my perception that this game's sense of story immersion is nowhere near as good as Mass Effect's was never wrong.
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# ¿ May 11, 2015 00:27 |
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dreezy posted:There is that one ooh edgy gif/webm thing, presumably from 4chan, where someone has Aiden use the profiler to kill all the sexual/racial/religious minorities he encounters and basically reenacts the trailer for Hatred.
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# ¿ May 12, 2015 18:35 |
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SSNeoman posted:You decide to argue this point over a player-created joke? How much of that was a joke you think, because I have no faith in humanity nah okay I actually did watch the video when it got linked in the thread AFTER I made that post, cuz I wasn't gonna go look for it. Halfway through it starts getting pretty obvious it's a joke (that poor scientologist oh my god he was only 20 and had so much money to give for them ) But yeah I'm just wondering how many people on Reddit thought it was a joke plus the descript I quoted previous of "basically re-enacting Hatred" implied that it wasn't very funny. But my original point still stands that you do basically profile people in this game to gently caress with them as a gameplay mechanic, which is totally creepy and not making you a hero at all for whatsoever daduncle-related reason you have, Aiden. FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 12, 2015 |
# ¿ May 12, 2015 21:04 |
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Ometeotl posted:In a well written story, they could probably twist that into Aiden having trouble separating the mindset of the vigilante with his regular everyday life. But in this, it's probably something like a lovely Voice Director or the kind of dev cycle a behemoth like this game having necessitating the VA to have to keep coming back to the booth for various new lines and re-dubs without the proper context to the lines.
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# ¿ May 14, 2015 04:19 |
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I will say I really like you can travel on the Chicago transit system. Will it drop me off at Canaryville at a reasonable distance rather than three miles outside of it however I also would love to point out, since Chip mentioned they had not bothered making rising pitches of motorcycle sounds and just made five of them, the "echoey" tannoys of news is not actually an echo and is just a really horribly overlapped recording of itself. Some dipshit has just hosed around in Audacity, made two copies of the same audio track and then just put one of them like .75 seconds ahead of the other so it SOUNDS echoey, but isn't actually. And I know this because I have done the exact same thing myself whilst goofing around in Audacity. AAA game folks. AAA game. Also Chip how the gently caress did you do that sweet-rear end static-glitch during a cut, jesus your editing skills are just insanely good. FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 16:57 on May 14, 2015 |
# ¿ May 14, 2015 16:50 |
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Kai Tave posted:Yeah, I didn't bring this up since other people already pointed it out but that's been the most blatant "did anyone actually read back over this?" moment in the game so far, especially since Aiden's talking to a DedSec person while he's musing out loud about how much fun his newly expanded ability to invade peoples' privacy will be. I'm convinced Ubisoft just watched the Dark Knight films and assumed Chicago was like this.
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# ¿ May 16, 2015 13:26 |
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Great Joe posted:Saints Row 2 did it right. Oh, you completed 6 levels of insurance fraud? Infinite sprint. Jumped out of an airplane and landed on the roof of a car? No fall damage. Flew an airplane through a whole bunch of tight spaces? You now own a flamethrower. I mean I didn't have to work for any of that and made the game way too easy so I got bored like hell and stopped playing after a week.
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# ¿ May 19, 2015 16:53 |
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Ted_Haggard posted:With patches it's not that bad anymore.
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# ¿ May 19, 2015 17:53 |
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Chip Cheezum posted:In a few days we'll have another mini-update where Ironicus' short series on the history of Chicago will begin. I'm putting more effort into the video side of it than I originally planned, so that's why it's not being posted with today's update. Yeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss I can't wait to hear on that I'm super-hyped for it! Come for the shitfest, stay for the Chicagos! So, I like the evil mob boss villain more than I like the hacker anti-hero. That means the story was written really badly. Like, how the hell does this game make me respect an old knife-thrusting rear end in a top hat who at the very least is not a drat hypocrite as far as I've seen and who, despite being pretty old, commands a clear amount of respect from his people? Especially when Aiden whines about "not putting a bullet between his eyes" when you are right loving THERE and apparently unstoppable with your SkyMall-ordered special police baton. The Vosgian Beast posted:I did too, but mostly because Badboy17's voice sounded like a female voice run through a synthesizer. Holy poo poo, you're trying to convince us he's Batman but he can't even figure out the right gender of his so-called "most trusted" companion, and then he does meet her for the first time and he gets loving livid. And not even a good character design, someone noted she looked VERY like Lisbeth Salander and I agree it is almost exact right down to the illegal age inappropriate implication. What a loving shitlord he is, I think Aiden might be the most hateful protagonist in recent gaming years. BlazeEmblem posted:I knew she was based on something. So that's why she seemed familiar. Except the whole choking thing. ugh. Bobbin Threadbare posted:The game tries to justify the cutscene with Aiden's voiceover talking about wanting to "rattle" Badboy17, but since we've established that Aiden's voiceovers are revisions made after the cutscene mocap, I have to wonder why he was originally going to be even more of a douchebag. You can't be serious. Bobbin please tell me you're not serious, that's such terrible planning! FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 16:56 on May 21, 2015 |
# ¿ May 21, 2015 16:49 |
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Patter Song posted:Like everyone else, I'm almost rooting for Lucky Quinn at this point. Guy's a straight-up old-fashioned mob boss with style, charisma, and no attempt to pretend he's anything other than what he is. Aiden is a misogynistic jackass who blows up street corners and causes massively fatal traffic accidents when he's not literally beating a man into the ground with a police baton or robbing a stranger's bank account. Plus, Aiden likes memes, a huge negative. Why are we not playing as Lucky Quinn dealing with the deranged hacker with delusions of grandeur who is cutting into our turf? A really focused skill set you can play around with UNTIL you get bodyguards you can actively command to do poo poo for you, as well as threaten people with either nice words, bribery or active threatening. Seriously I think this is a golden idea. Bruceski posted:Edward Kenway's basically self-aware of his role as a player stand-in. The Templars are on one side going "plot plot plot" while the Assassins are on the other going "plot plot plot" and he just looks at them and says "what's in it for me? Oh man, I get a boat? Screw you guys, I'm gonna go sail around and be a pirate! What? Yeah, yeah, Observatory whatever, watch me dagger this guy in the FACE!" Edward is awesome and not hypocritical because he tells you from the very get-go he does NOT give a poo poo about any of this conspiracy, he just wants to get a boat, be a pirate and loving start poo poo, that's IT. And he is awesome for it because quite frankly being a pirate in that game is waaaaaaay more fun and awesome than being an Assassin and the game knows that! Much as it has a story, it kinda does just have Edward go "gently caress this, this mission's gonna be long WANNA RAID A FORT?! YEAAAAAAAAAAAH!"
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# ¿ May 21, 2015 18:01 |
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Wild Knight posted:So what is it supposed to used for, when someone's being super creepy and/or misogynistic and/or unnecessarily violent? Seriously, the gameplay of this game is okay, but the story and characterisation loving ruins everything about this.
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# ¿ May 21, 2015 18:40 |
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Patter Song posted:The thing that cracks me up about the title is that they picked Watch Dogs, or, rather, Watch_Dogs, rather than Watchdogs. Watch Dogs makes it sound like it's a game about watching dogs while Watchdogs would imply a guardian/protector entity. Why can't it be The_Watch_Dog that way you have both your lovely username AND an even more terrible game title with double the underscore? SomeIdiot posted:If you'll do a bit of research, you'll find that prior to the quarter-million rewrites the game went through, watch_dogs was originally intended to be an entry into Ubisoft's critically acclaimed Dogz series. *Kennels exploded, five dogs dead for no reason all around him like a PETA branch's dumpster* FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 19:46 on May 23, 2015 |
# ¿ May 23, 2015 19:44 |
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I don't know, I liked that moose ska band joke.
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# ¿ May 24, 2015 22:05 |
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SelenicMartian posted:Aiden is so bland he can't even be creative with calling for a car over the phone like Tony Montana.
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# ¿ May 25, 2015 18:26 |
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Kibayasu posted:
It's just the story itself trying to pretend it's totally not that that loving ruins it so frankly if you just skip every cutscene the game seems passable!
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# ¿ May 26, 2015 03:58 |
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Spergatory posted:This game would make a lot more sense and be a lot better if Aiden were just some rear end in a top hat anarchist trolling cTOS for the greater good. "This world is obsessed with convenience, willing to sacrifice privacy for security, putting everything, everywhere, online and controlling it all through the same system. My job is to show them why that's a bad idea. " Not only does it make more sense from a hacker-archetype perspective, but it caters perfectly to the best worst impulses of everyone who plays open world games. Because all open world games are about chaos, even the ones that aren't. Especially the ones that aren't. It fits way more into the modern age, you have your anti-hero who really is nothing more than antagonistic protagonist and you can look edgy without making it really awkward and hypocritical.
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# ¿ May 26, 2015 17:21 |
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General Ironicus posted:I think I remember mentioning that I'd put together a small album of pictures for people to see some of the things we mentioned, but whether or not I did, here it is: http://imgur.com/a/58cP3 that...is the loving winner for my childhood right there holy poo poo it's perfect.
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# ¿ May 27, 2015 17:24 |
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That...was the best D-trip right at the end there.Leal posted:"Am I talking to badboy or Clara?" - Aiden, continuing to be a cock. She should of hosed with him and used the voice modulator to pretend he met someone completely different. Jesus CHRIST Aiden the first thing he says in the video, man. Okay fine you apologised but hahahaha that looked such an obvious misstep with dialogue/cutscene writing at different parts of the process. Also could we just not play as Aiden anymore and just be Spider-Tank the whole game, I mean it's pretty much that Ghost in the Shell PSX game which is A-OK by me because that game was pretty kickass rad. I'm glad there's one part of this game done the way a game should be.
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# ¿ May 30, 2015 01:46 |
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Night10194 posted:I remember when I was playing Second Sight and you check a dead guard's computer. He's IMing his wife, and she's getting increasingly panicky and upset in real time that he's not responding. that's loving heartbreaking. drat nice one Free Radical.
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# ¿ May 30, 2015 21:08 |
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Stormgale posted:Actually that brings up an interesting point about Watch_DAWGS in that its trying to have it's cake and eat it too in the worst way, open world games generally have you ignoring the law (Playing a criminal in GTA, Saints row moving into cartoon rules, rear end creed etc) or in a land that is without law (Red dead) but this is kinda like the uncanny valley effect for morality if that makes sense to anyone, the world is presented as supposedly realistic and modern but yet we still do all these terrible things. You can't have an open sandbox game where you're supposed to be a moral saint and then not do it when the game ACTIVELY FORCES YOU to do awful poo poo.
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# ¿ May 31, 2015 13:16 |
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Chip Cheezum posted:Yeah, we're just going to be covering the big conferences that get streamed to everyone. So it'll be Bethesda, Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, Sony, Nintendo, and Square Enix this year.
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# ¿ May 31, 2015 22:05 |
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muike posted:The game will be built on an actual digital Indian Burial ground.
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# ¿ Jun 4, 2015 00:16 |
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Night10194 posted:The big thing that strikes me is that no-one in Watch_Dogs is *having fun*. The protagonist is the biggest wet blanket, sure, but almost everyone seems bored or grim or like they're kinda going through the motions. That could work is the story was about the crushing loneliness and ennui that can come from the digital age, maybe, but that's sort of hard to make an open world crime game around. Like Sleeping Dogs, we got to have kickass races, we had a whole DLC about the Zodiac Tournament and another one having the New Year, people DID stuff, you felt Hong Kong was a place where markets were bustling and economy was sweet. All the Assassin's Creed games I played, people had fun, even people back BEFORE actually fun stuff did fun stuff and were happy. Rowdy bars in Colonial America drinking and having games, raucous market festivals in Venice, street gambling in Medieval Arabia and sea shanties on the high waves of the Atlantic. Here there is NOTHING loving happening that's fun that actual people do, the closest we got to fun was a moose head and a fish. Dead animals are having more fun in this world than the human beings who loving stuffed them. RealSovietBear posted:Was that second privacy invasion a suicide? Because holy poo poo that is messed up. Okay gently caress Aiden, he is the worst loving protagonist in the past ten years, jesus christ this game offends me as a human being. The master hacker he is and he can't even pick up the phone to call 911? Oho right, his phone is useless because like Chip said it can't actually MAKE calls, only receive them, way to create plausable deniability shitface I'm very glad you're not getting all the collectibles Chip, this game does not deserve that much patience from you. FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jun 5, 2015 |
# ¿ Jun 5, 2015 18:24 |
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Just because they WATCH doesn't mean they DO.bbcisdabomb posted:You know what would have been thematic and good for that suicide privacy invasion? You hack in, hear the first part of the girl psyching herself up, and you get a hack prompt. Hit it and the phone rings, connecting to a suicide hotline on speakerphone. Boom, Aiden doesn't have to actually interact with another human being and he does some good. Then you can hack $300 or whatever from her afterwards. Because yeah that would actually be a wonderful thing to do, you would actually get some respect points or whatever and then it'd be all okay? But no clearly Aiden is a godawful piece of poo poo who frankly makes me wish the gangsters had managed to kill him off in the opening if this is what it's come to.
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# ¿ Jun 5, 2015 20:22 |
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Astro Nut posted:Another bonus I'd say on the QR codes is that, as collectibles go, they're thematically appropriate whilst also (relatively) naturally gelling into the setting. Okay, what you actually get from them is bog-standard audio logs, but its at least a more engaging form of finding something than 'pick up intercepted audio log'.
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# ¿ Jun 6, 2015 18:30 |
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Zagglezig posted:Not even hard to think of some ways they could've played around with what they have. Because if you're going to make your character a loving hypocrite for the love of god have some fun with it you soulless fucks.
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# ¿ Jun 7, 2015 21:28 |
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AriadneThread posted:Aiden operates many sock puppet accounts to promote his public image
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# ¿ Jun 10, 2015 18:18 |
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zedprime posted:Congrats on finding the biggest mistake in trying to build a franchise about a secret society based on the hashashin. I mean the best assassins are the ones that no one knew ever existed.
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# ¿ Jun 11, 2015 03:46 |
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Was this second hacker hidden behind the grassy COBAL? ThatPazuzu posted:I think it's weird that the one guy is complaining about being crippled when he's just in a legbrace. I mean, it still sucks but he looked like he could move around pretty well. Also it makes it weirder that he wrote "I suffered too." Invinting comparison between Aiden's dead child-niece to his limp might not work in his favor. I'm hoping that's intentional to make us dislike him instantly, but I can't trust this game's writing anymore. I did like the setup of that scene with I SUFFERED TOO though, that was nice.
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# ¿ Jun 13, 2015 23:54 |
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Chip Cheezum posted:That's for our stream, not their stream. I'm not sure if I'll be able to stream it or if I'll have to go into work at that time.
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# ¿ Jun 14, 2015 22:32 |