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doctor iono posted:"Let me go ahead and give this blanket answer for everything that you hear about in 10 for the Chairman and ATV and everything. These are - they're intentions. There's the things we would like to do. There's the things that we sign our people to explore, to figure out - you know, go and see about making this happen. Then there's the challenge. Then there's - going through and figuring out how to make all this happen. Not everything's going to become a reality exactly the way we spoke about it; not everything's going to work with every other system; it's an exploration - that's what development is. So that's probably why I don't know anything about it because we haven't actually done any work on it yet." i really love the "this is normal AAA game dev" defense of the missed milestones and loss of senior staff. But here they need to be told like children that bullshit promises and hype do not mean a real workable system.
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CrazyTolradi posted:Preorders generally only go for 6 months before a game release, at which point there's a definite product there (poo poo or not). AAA games also don't require preorders to fund the development. What I find hilarious and tragic about the model is the never ending fundraising prohibits "open development". They have to maintain a positive and consumer pleasing message at all times or risk their revenue stream, which they are completely dependent on to deliver anything resembling their bloated sales pitch. I can only imagine how different their community and product would be if they stopped fundraising at 23m
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Star Citizen: My citizen card is flaking!
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Ragequit posted:I tweeted your blog which is why it got all the attention. You are welcome. ^this. Period.
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Came for the schadenfreude; overwhelmed by the fremdschämen Boy those Germans have a word for everything!
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Sandi is like Lisa Simpson I see her closer to Peggy Hill and I've starts reading Sandi's writing with in that voice. It also explains her being fluent in so many languages. https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLA-oQXQ1P4oXGva73ZIW62yN6P_wKvcxr&v=7cmWlZXSH44
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nopantsjack posted:Ben committed foodicide I laughed very hard at this and then felt bad. Good job
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Sarsapariller posted:Is it a fat joke to say that seeing Ben's weight gain over the last 2 years was one of my major inspirations to go on a Keto diet in the Fall of last year? Because it totally was- I'm not close to that size, but I'd put on a lot of weight over the last decade of desk jobitude and I never want to feel the way he looks like he feels, all the time. I am currently down about 30 pounds from my start point and feeling pretty good about it. Way to go dude, losing 30 pounds takes some work. I hold out hope that Ben will quit CIG, write a tell all book and go make a weight loss thread in SA's YLLS/TFLC fitness sub forums. Getting fit is completely possible for people that heavy, SA has a few success stories from people even heavier last I checked. I lost over 100 several years ago because of the information and support on those boards I think the "power" and "status" of being king poo poo of a (sad, broken) community prevents any possible change for Ben. From some of his moderator posts that end up here you can tell he really loving relishes that illusion of authority and influence. Still i agree with GORF he is ultimately tragic as hell and hope he can salvage his real life after the fantasy goes up in flames
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ryde posted:I am irrationally angry at the blatant misunderstanding of statistics. I think I am broken. I find it less painful to believe this guy is a deep-cover Goon and this thread has become an ouroboros. I mean, nobody could be that aggressively ignorant and petulant. Right...?
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MeLKoR posted:How long have you been following the thread? You make an excellent point. Somehow this guy was what I couldn't believe. Everything else made sense until this moment. I feel unclean.
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Mirificus posted:I understand the feeling. Sometimes when I'm Star Citizen forum trawling, I have trouble discerning whether a post is real or not because it is so ludicrous. Well on behalf of the lurkers: thank you for shoveling fuel in this schadenfreude train. You sacrifice yourself so the rest can cultist-watch at a safe distance. Your post history is really going to appreciate in comedic value as this goes on.
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fuzzknot posted:Thank you for allowing me not to watch that. I can't loving stand (watching) Sandi. Agreed thank you GORF. Watching her really takes the fun out of this. I can't help but empathize with what the average CIG employee puts up with. Infinite narcissism in an untouchable position of company power. What boggles my mind is that nobody sees a problem with a husband and wife being the top decision makers (including HR) in 300 person company. How can any legitimate complaint about either of them be heard or resolved? The fear and resentment among their employees has to just be spectacular.
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peter gabriel posted:I think I am Team Sandi Anyone can be on Team Sandi with some simple training.
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Darkpriest667 posted:That is one of the most brilliant things I've seen in this thread. A+ I'm glad that psy101 class is paying off for both me and Sandi Something I haven't seen mentioned in this thread: there is a great This American Life episode about a scam that you cannot help but see parallels to Star Citizen. I really recommend listening to it, it's Act 1 of this episode: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/571/the-heart-wants-what-it-wants Here's some blurbs from the transcript - just replace 'woman' with 'spaceship' to apply this to SC: quote:Don told me he always wanted to be a writer, but his real talent was in being a hustler. He always had a scheme going. quote:After a few letters to Jesse, Pamala let him know that the only thing she wanted was a little help. "Darling, I want you to know that I really love writing you every day. It has filled a great need in my life, and I know I'd be very sad if I had to stop writing you and being your friend. I hope you feel the same way about me and my letters to you. I think it's fair and reasonable for me to ask you to help with the expenses of paper, envelopes, postage, photos, and the other things I'll be sending you. If you could send me just $10 a week for my letters, I could continue writing every day as I have been." quote:As Don went on, he realized his members were hooked and he could take the fantasy further-- much further. He invented an epic world for his angels with a magical backstory and a fantastic future.
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Eonwe posted:honestly there is probably a lot of overlap between star citizens and trump supporters Socially marginalized group desperate for former glory + a "powerful" guy promises easily understood solutions to complex problems + plotting enemies to focus anger as a group and avoid doubt/personal responsibility + cash tithe I think the anti-intellectual part of trump might be the intractable difference between the groups. SC whales are probably high IQ IT specialists and pretty comfortable in their own brilliance - which they then apply to literally every other domain and then we get brony Dolphin blogs about Hitler and Octopode's legal opinions. On the trump side I am convinced his popularity is due to American's white hot hatred of people who seem smarter than them. Actually this could be pretty funny to merge the communities, is there any way we can plan a trump rally at the next citcon?
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EightAce posted:I don't want to say to much about Erin. What I will say is he only exists in the industry because of Chris and unlike Chris he has no discernable ability in any field. Hey I'd take a consistent lack of ability in a manager over one with marginal ability in a creative domain. The former might be insecure enough to listen to the experts they hire and be desperate to deliver results. CR shows us how the wunderkind visionary genius handles experts (there to gratify his ego) and delivers results (the vision cannot fail, only be failed). My uninformed take is Erin seems to be a more competent manager than CR. He just has to be. If their organizational roles were reversed I believe the project would have a better chance of success.
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surc posted:At this point I'm perpetually behind by a ways, but wanted to say this exactly, please keep posting, Octopode! I agree Octopode keep posting. He really is this threads Data, except he frequently argues from unsound assumptions (eg CIG will make a good faith effort to fulfill all explicitly stated promises) so people get into heated arguments where they are saying the exact same things with different assumptions. I think this illustrates Octopode and this thread: 
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ZenMaster posted:Why is Star Citizen the only game where people have to convince others it is good and pre ordering it isn't the dumbest thing ever. Does this happen to COD or MW? How about AC, or FF or MGS? Those games are entertainment products which you consume. Evil publishers, lazy stupid developers, console kiddies, dumbing down blah blah SC is a social group you belong to (by design: "speaks to the essence of humanity..." and the rest of that cringe inducing speech) This is why nobody gives half a poo poo about SQ42 because the imaginary status they bought requires witnesses.
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1500 posted:Where one side is having fun and the other side doesn't get it? Same thing could be applied to SA and Citizens. Nailed it. A redditor might look at that and think "haha that cat is so loving angry. data is the best puppet master" and miss that point. The cat is entertained in a way data can't understand, and it will leave once it's bored.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Star Citizen is also apparently a revolutionary game that doesn't actually have fun as its core design philosophy. CIG is really pushing the boundaries of what's possible here. Your point really shows how much CIG has to lose by delivering anything. People are buying a fantasy - ridiculous grindy poo poo mechanics like grabby handing your cargo, and drink serving minigames are really fun in fantasy. They reinforce the expectation of acievement, status and purpose that whales are buying in to. Those who see this as a game in development, not a rich fantasy life, may wonder how the gently caress this mess of gameplay systems will produce a fun, cohesive experience that can be enjoyed by real life people. I think this things best chance of fun is the collapsed house of cards approach. Many barely implemented systems collapse in on each other and the result is a novel, semi-playable mess that kinda works. I'm not sure if this works when the core design is so clearly robbed of passion by the visionary in charge. I believe EightAce when he says no SQ42 in 2016. As long as people keep buying fantasy then an actual game release is a dire threat to their revenue.
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Dapper Dan posted:
I've been rewatching King of the Hill, so to make the tragi-comedy more comedy and less tragic: imagine these people are Dale Gribble - hyper-vigilant of conspiracy but unable to doubt people he trusts. any time evil publishers, derek smart, "i will feel grief", plotting goons or any other conspiracy comes up read it with this voice 
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spacetoaster posted:https://youtu.be/GGreb21dKdg?t=1111  caption: Roberts' flight response kicks in as he hears his own explanation re: Star Marine
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Scruffpuff posted:What do they call those groups that believe the world will end on a specific date, and the date comes, and nothing happens, and the leader changes his tune, and then they follow that, and that keeps happening, and they never wise up? What are those groups of people called? Are you thinking of doomsayers? That's the only word i could dig out of my brain Also, quote:imagine....No pics of Wulf Knight's dick This was beautiful well done
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Scruffpuff posted:I may have been thinking of "cult", but that can't be right, because I was going to compare them to Star Citizens, and surely they're nothing like that. Haha I take SCs cult status so for granted I had to come up with some specialty types of cults like doomsayers. Crobberts is probably more of a spergsayer though
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trucutru posted:This is around the hour that D.Smart begins posting so let me remind you guys that, if you read his blog, he had already predicted all this. Just saying. We know ^this to be a FACT! End of story. Period! (this is more fun than it should be)
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D_Smart posted:I think once those Spergs sit down and write down ALL the features that SM was supposed to have, then compare to what's in the PU know, they're going to be making GBS threads bricks. Or maybe not. Derek you need to get the refund train out of this scam running again. What would it take to invalidate CIGs claim of substantial progress which they use to deny refunds? The best part of these threads was seeing goons get their money back, and you deserve credit for enabling that. This is your chance for true glory! Summon your legal  pack and tear down that "gently caress you, got ours" refund denial letter. Oh and give us frequent detailed, self-referential updates about it.
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B_of_InfoRedux posted:Well thank you. Cause here's the thing I don't think people grasp, we are two people. We do this because it's something we are passionate about. We aren't making money. I mean seriously, we make like a dollar a month off of the site that cost $5 to host. That's the reality. We haven't even seen a cent of that yet, as we aren't even close to the payout we would need to even begin to monetize it. We aren't doing this for fame, or to be beloved, or any of that poo poo. We are just two people doing what we think is right and what we enjoy doing. I recommend removing the stick from your rear end as you dare to follow your dream.
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B_of_InfoRedux posted:If you would like to get down there and let me know where it is I'll be more then happy to allow you a peak. Real original comment though. I give you credit for that. I've never once heard about a stick in the rear end. That's an entirely new concept. If you have something of actual value to say, then come with it. If not, well the offer still stands to come try to find the stick. Maybe we can replace it with your head since you have such a wonderful understanding of who/what I am. I like the simplicity of the stick. Your give off the stink of a writer who takes themselves very seriously. You respond to "drat get an editor" with an emotional outpouring. Get over yourself and focus on improving your work (which conveniently is outside of your self) is my point with the stick.
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I know this is the Internet but I wasn't trying to attack your work or you as a person, but make a joke about your sensitivity to criticism (see above). Mostly because you said you have professional aspirations. I'm no writer but in every field having your work torn to shreds is a chance to get better. Learn to e: changed to reflect reality of being critiqued Solarin fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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B_of_InfoRedux posted:Thank you for that. We do what we can. We can all either start infighting or we can agree that something needs to be done. Though some may not agree with what we say, and that's fine, we do what we think is right - and that's all we can do. Agree with Gorf - anything pushing back against this insanity is a legitimately decent thing in my book. Would be a great end to this all to see the gaming media turn on CIG and demand refunds reopen to anyone who wants one. Though, the cynical part of me expects it to end silently with the owners of this shitshow a whole lot wealthier. don't feel the need to apologize to anyone here we're just jabbering jackasses as that is the joy of this thread. also in my opinion it's okay to tell people to gently caress off with their idiot opinions about your work when it's justified, because sometime it is the best course of action.
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G0RF posted:Here is my CIG-centric take on the lyrics to "Sabotage". good work Gorf this has inspired me. Here is my CIG-centric version of Pink Floyd's Pigs (Three Different Ones) Revisions are.. well you know quote:Big man, pig man
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ZenMaster posted:Can someone with knowledge of game development (I don't care how much) give me a run down on how real live people with that much money, office space, and employees failed to deliver on almost everything imaginable? I know nothing of game dev, but I think everyone understands working for incompetent domineering ignorant-geniuses. When people realize their boss isn't worth their trust or respect then they are forced to protect themselves instead of focusing on delivering results toward a shared goal. Usually this means doing exactly what is demanded of you and nothing else. The apparent lack of dev passion in this project really stands out to me. There are so many little things that mak you think "really? they actually thought this was a good idea?". Its incredibly sad to think about the dev talent CR hired with no plan or idea how to lead a team or run a business. At least he got to live the fantasy of success and power with his global dev studios and celebrity play dates
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HexDog posted:I really wonder if we'll ever get that one satisfying day when everything just collapses completely at once. It's probably more likely that the project will continue to slowly die with a person leaving here and there and the updates slowing down until they finally stop. People just won't stop giving them loving money. I think shuttering completely is a much bigger risk to the owners than a slow, boring, quiet process of cutting costs to the bone with just enough devs to claim progress. You can see them positioning for this by repeatedly saying 2.0 is what they promised "from the very very very beginning". My prediction: I believe they'll shart out a legally satisfactory SQ42 with probably 1/10th the original planned gameplay; mostly useless filler copy pasted open world content to meet the # of missions the sold. If it bombs completely they will shrug and say "we did our absolute best but the cards were stacked against us and the market isn't ready for thr BeeDeeSSEee." A mission pack being developed now will follow to meet legal obligations. Mass layoffs. Emphatic hand waving and wringing by CIG owners and a desperate plea to "keep the dream alive" as they collect money to outsource ongoing development of 2.0 to legally demonstrate good faith effort to meet promises. This goes on eternally being funded by Weshas and Wuldges who still try desperately to be liked by the Roberts'. Everybody else loses interest and refocuses on Bitcoin as it ascends to world dominance overnight and then fails completely. As a result Seriffph84 finally gets the help and medication he needs
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I suspect the threshold for charisma is significantly reduced when it comes to technical/creative fields like game design. Steve Jobs had to convince normal people, and his RDF was suitably powerful to pull that off. Chris only has to convince basement-dwelling autists desperate for something to connect with. I actually think this audience would resent a highly charismatic leader. To them clumsy mush mouthed communication is relatable and 'authentic'. I kind of think the magnetism he has is in people vicariously living their game dev fantasy through him. Like they dreamed of as outcast teens before they got a job coding mindless business software; their incredible creative talent never saw the light of day (and consequently was never destroyed by reality), and Chris is their chance for that precious vidya game dev glory. At least that's my POV having grown up and out of that adolescent nerd fantasy. These people are in their 30s and 40s with that fantasy still alive and burning.
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Tippis posted:Pretty much. Or at least they make a strong case for one function that publishers generally have: supervision. The concept surrounding SC that creative visionaries deserve complete control with 0 financial risk makes me tear my hair out. It's great the fundamental lack of respect Roberts has for his backers finally spilled out of his gawping mouth. From his POV these people are entitled to nothing he personally isn't interested in. And he's right. Solarin fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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G0RF posted:"Let them eat shiite." And it was good.
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EightAce posted:.. B4TBG email exchange is still causing fallout ... and all the wrong people are getting blamed God drat this is funny, and also neuseating Ace you're doing the lords work. Even if it's all made up please keep going
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:No, it's all Chris's fault. Every bit of it. It's his program, his dream, his vision, his failure. He's the face of this monstrosity and I sincerely hope that his failures hound him for the rest of his life. Everything else, from Ben's incredible incompetence to Sandi's predatory marketing "genius", stems from him and his constant inability to deliver. The man does not care. Even now, with his community royally pissed off because he was dumb enough to admit how little he gives a poo poo about them, he's sitting in his reality distortion field assuming everything is fine. It's the Hitler bunker video all over again. I spent years contributing in an honest and earnest manner, providing thoughtful feedback on everything from the toxicity of the community to level design of ships. None of it matters because Chris Roberts is a fraud, a self-entitled embarrassment of a human being who surrounds himself with sycophants and culls anyone who dares question his nonexistent talents. He took the greatest opportunity ever given to a game developer, a blank check to build the game of his dreams, and squandered it. He has ruined lives, tarnished careers, uprooted families, wasted millions, and years later hasn't learned a single loving thing. I hope he spends the rest of his life as a punch line. Quoting from 20 pages ago because  I agree that Chris is the epicenter of failure but everyone in the inner circle with equity in this farce should be held accountable for failure to deliver
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SeldomSeen posted:This thread has inspired me. I got a rescue cat so I can read this thread while petting him and laughing my rear end off. Good to know I'm not the only one feeling uncomfortably catless as a result of the thread. Maybe when SC judgement day happens I'll adopt a cat to celebrate
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